Uwe Brandl (CSU) denounces that citizens phone masts, roads or wind turbines – and at the same time protest against it.

protests against wind turbines in Thuringia photo: Reuters

taz: you speak for the "Anti-Nimby movement" from wind turbines, mobile phone masts or road construction will not be constantly blocked by protesting citizens. What Nimbys are?

Uwe Brandl: people always say: "Not in my backyard" – "behind my house". The for example, fast Internet and green electricity would like to use, the necessary infrastructure but refuse when they themselves are affected. In contrast, our society needs a certain amount of acceptance for projects like one-of-a for uncomfortable.

What can you do as a mayor from the lower Bavarian town of Abensberg in such situations?

politicians like me, overall, the policy should make greater efforts to explain that this democratic society can only work if decisions are well tolerated by the minority, which is of a different opinion.

explain Just, then things really smoke – then you will have success with this tactic?

I hope that it has succeeded so far. I was elected five Times again, and am now in the 26. Year in office.

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60, is the mayor of the town of Abensberg, in Bavaria and President of the German Association of towns and municipalities Federal

the SPD environmental politician Matthias Miersch calls for a so-called wind citizens ' money. Individuals or communities should be involved to the revenues from new wind turbines. A good idea against rampant opposition?

Individual citizens, you should not compensate. You did it, it would go against the idea of solidarity. The state can not compensate for any individually perceived disadvantages of money. However, they could carry the energy transition, perhaps by socialized part of the revenue, and the municipalities provide. With the additional funding the school building could be, for example, energy-efficient refurbishment or other public spending to pay.

your Association also proposes that the poor towns are relieved of their old debts, if you can't handle by themselves. How is that going to work?

the Federal Finance Minister, Olaf Scholz (SPD) has brought the recently back into the conversation. Not only the Federal, the Länder and municipalities would have to contribute according to certain quotas. To imagine a common Fund in the amount of about 50 billion euros would be. The recipient local authorities should be parallel to the debt relief is not make sure but check that slip again in the future in the Bad.

how do you get funding?

The Federal government and, possibly, the countries would have to Fund a specific budget through the issuance of state bonds. That could be done, without violating the debt brake.